Hilo para credulos y piramidiotas: arqueologia fantastica (o quizas no).

[Baku]

Sorry, lo estaba viendo y al pegarlo mete la mierda de tags adicionales y ya no lo he comprobado.
Es el estress por vivir rodeado de indepes.

Eximente manifiesta. Caso sobreseído.

Además que lo de las tags es culpa de youtube, que desde la última actualización te las mete donde antes no te las metía.

1- Botón derecho sobre el vídeo y "copiar la URL del vídeo".
2- Pegar en el Areópago.

[yonnon]

Sorry, lo estaba viendo y al pegarlo mete la mierda de tags adicionales y ya no lo he comprobado.
Es el estress por vivir rodeado de indepes.

Eximente manifiesta. Caso sobreseído.

Además que lo de las tags es culpa de youtube, que desde la última actualización te las mete donde antes no te las metía.

1- Botón derecho sobre el vídeo y "copiar la URL del vídeo".
2- Pegar en el Areópago.

Lo se, pero tengo la mania de cuando copio enlaces a textos me voy directamente a la barra de direcciones y asi me va, porque hago lo mismo con todo por inercia.

[Glatts]

Eso es. Que las personas mayores ya no tenemos la agilidad mental de antaño. Y a veces se nos nota. Cada vez más.

[yonnon]

http://www.lavanguardia.com/cultura/20171109/432740728455/gema-arte-antiguo-grecia-pilos-griffin-warrior.html

[ENNAS]

Las culturas que consideramos atrasadas (en base a que no dejaron registro escrito ni grandes construcciones) suelen sorprendernos por el exquisito nivel de artesanía de sus miniaturas. Véase los celtas o el pequeño renacimiento carolingio.

[yonnon]

[ENNAS]

Me lo he traido a este hilo porque voy a componer un ladrillo explicando por qué la Atlántida existió y al mismo tiempo por qué nunca la encontraremos.

Yonnon: Imagina que eres un alquimista buscando la piedra filosofal.

Por el camino descubres el cinabrio, pero como no es la piedra filosofal pues nada. Poco después descubres las propiedades de la piedra imán, pero esa tampoco transforma cualquier mineral en oro así que la desdeñas. Por tus trabajos en calentar los alambiques descubres la máquina de vapor y barruntas las leyes de la termodinámica pero bah, eso no es la piedra filosofal que estás buscando.

¿Entiendes el problema de estos buscadores de misterios?

¿Que toda esta gente desdeña la Navaja de Occam?

Hay cosas que todavia "se nos escapan":

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe%2C_Urfa.jpg/1280px-G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe%2C_Urfa.jpg



o esto:

http://hugefloods.com/Scablands.html

resultado,  quizas,  de esto:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dryas_Reciente


esta un poquito alejado del termino "magufada".  Pero si te entretiene mas El Ocho  nada mas que aportar :-)

Por cierto, de Javier Sierra te recomendaria En Busca de La Edad de Oro, un gran ensayo magufo pero mas divertido que sus novelas

Y oye, que El Fuego Invisible anda muy bien valorado en las librerias online. Es que debemos ser unos raros.

Lo fundamental del mito platónico es que la Atlántida no la construyeron los atlantes les fue dada para que la honraran. Y en el momento en que la despreciaron como poca cosa para éllos y se lanzaron a la conquista del mundo la Atlántida desapareció. Si nos fijamos el mito del Edén es parecido: Les fué entregado ya completo a Adán y Eva y cuando dejaron de respetarlo no se volvió a saber de él.

Somos prisioneros de nuestra mentalidad ilustrada, científica y racionalista. Por eso explicamos con indisimulado orgullo que durante decenas de miles de años el ser humano vivió como un salvaje y en unos pocos siglos hemos llegado al espacio. Los buscadores de misterio, los esotéricos, los hermetistas tienen razón cuando sospechan que hubo una Edad de Oro en el pasado, pero como aplican el método moderno esperan encontrar megaconstrucciones, tesoros fantabulosos o artefactos científicos y se equivocan.

El Paleolítico -el 99% de nuestro paso por la vida- fue un tiempo mejor que el Neolítico para nuestra especie. Eramos más altos y más longevos cuando eramos comunas dispersas de cazadores-recolectores que cuando nos apiñamos para convertirnos en agricultores. Normal que los primeros mitos escritos por los agricultores hablen de un tiempo pasado de gigantes y matusalenes. Cuando pensamos en cazadores-recolectores nos imaginamos a greñudos vestidos con pieles persiguiendo a un mamut y no es ni mucho menos así. Eran prácticamente pastores que cuidaban y protegían a un rebaño de otros depredadores y a cambio cuando lo precisaban sacrificaban una cabeza de "su" ganado.

Esas culturas que ahora llamamos de transición al neolítico, transición forzada por el cambio climático que apunta Yonnon, son en puridad nuestro paraíso perdido. Vivíamos perfectamente adaptados al medio, desplazándonos de los pastos de invierno a los de verano, enterrando a nuestros difuntos en túmulos indistiguibles de una pequeña elevación natural. Trasmitiendo nuestra experiencia por el boca a boca sin recurrir a la "autoridad" de lo que álguien escribió hace siglos.

¡Apenas dejaron rastro!

Y esa es la mayor muestra de hasta que punto aquella fue una sociedad plena, libre y feliz. No tuvieron que construir cercas para defenderse del exterior, el mundo era suyo. No se desvivieron en acumular propiedades o mejor dicho fueron conscientes de que tras la muerte iban a perderlas. No sintieron la necesidad de justificarse dejando memoria de sus vidas, las vivieron así sin más. No había una tradición cultural imperante, sino muchos pequeños relatos localizados.

Vivieron integrados en la naturaleza y por eso nuestra cultura artificial los desdeña, sin razón, hay que decirlo, y con oculta rabia, añado; pues nuestra sociedad explotadora y exigente no nos concede ni un instante de reposo ni un momento de reflexión. Los tepes, kurgan y túmulos en mitad de la nada son el equivalente de las ermitas, pagodas y oratorios en lugares inaccesibles. No una muestra imponente de una poderosa civilización sino el admirable esfuerzo de unos pocos grupos por realizar una actividad en común.

[yonnon]

Cada vez que me paseo por La Central, me planto delante de este y lo ojeo:



Acabara cayendo.

Titulos muy interesantes en la seccion de "historia"
de esta editorial
http://www.grupoalmuzara.com/a/catalogolibros.php?edi=1&col=23

[Glatts]

Vivíamos perfectamente adaptados al medio, desplazándonos de los pastos de invierno a los de verano, enterrando a nuestros difuntos en túmulos indistiguibles de una pequeña elevación natural. Trasmitiendo nuestra experiencia por el boca a boca sin recurrir a la "autoridad" de lo que álguien escribió hace siglos.

¡Apenas dejaron rastro!

No sintieron la necesidad de justificarse dejando memoria de sus vidas, las vivieron así sin más. No había una tradición cultural imperante, sino muchos pequeños relatos localizados.

Y si eso es así, si no dejaron memoria, cómo lo sabes tú. ¿Has viajado en el tiempo?

[Ictericio]

Lis atlantes son los baskos del norte del pirineo, que hablan raro y dan hostias como las de Urtain.
Al menos para un griego e Cádiz hace dosmil doscientos años era obvio oyendo a sus dealers celtas...

[Glatts]

El viajero en el tiempo

[yonnon]

Maverick archaeologist Graham Hancock insists that a highly evolved human civilisation was wiped out by a global catastrophe around 13,000 years ago.

Suppose all the wildest theories and historical conspiracies of novelist Dan Brown were proven true. And the mind-reading, spoon-bending claims of Israeli psychic Uri Geller all turned out to be real as well.

That wouldn't be half as extraordinary as the announcement in an obscure scientific journal this month that vindicated 20 years of maverick research and best-selling books by the eccentric archaeologist Graham Hancock.

His insistence that a highly evolved human civilisation was wiped out by a global catastrophe, remembered now only in myths and Biblical accounts such as the story of Noah and The Flood, has been mocked and dismissed by mainstream experts since he first spoke out in the mid-Nineties.

His latest book, Magicians Of The Gods, presented findings from all over the world as he argued that a mini Ice Age had swept the planet around 13,000 years ago, following a comet strike that caused devastating earthquakes and tsunamis.

Some of his most convincing, if rather arcane, evidence was discovered at a dig in Turkey known as Gobekli Tepe — which literally means Potbelly Hill. At this site close to the Syrian border, said Hancock, was found the most ancient work of monumental architecture on Earth.

Twice as old as Stonehenge, its engineering was far more skilled. Astronomical carvings and inscriptions on the stones served as aids for prehistoric stargazers, but also told stories. And one was of a comet that fell from the heavens, all but wiping out the human race.

Despite the painstaking construction of the book, which argues each point exhaustively, Hancock was met with the usual hoots of derision when Magicians Of The Gods appeared in 2015.

His latest book, Magicians Of The Gods, presented findings from all over the world as he argued that a mini Ice Age had swept the planet around 13,000 years ago, following a comet strike that caused devastating earthquakes and tsunamis.

He was derided as a fantasist, a deluded amateur, and much merriment was poked at his long-held belief that hallucinogenic drugs are intellectual stimulants. This nonsense was archaeology for trippy hippies, laughed Hancock's detractors.

So when research appeared last week that vindicated many of his claims and proved that this lone voice had been right for 20 years, perhaps it isn't surprising that the announcement was as low-key as humanly possible. The carvings at Gobekli Tepe do indeed describe a comet strike, in 10,950BC, said some staid and very serious experts from the University of Edinburgh's School of Engineering. Their report appeared as a paper in the little-known International Journal of Mediterranean Archaeology and Archaeometry, published by the University of the Aegean.

But the obscurity of the source cannot mask the scale of the scientific back-tracking. Hancock's claims sound like a Hollywood disaster movie, a sci-fi epic and a detective thriller all rolled into one. His theories encompass the meaning of the pyramids and the future destruction of the planet.

If more conventional archaeologists are going to start agreeing with him, that amounts to a seismic shift of direction.

As the Telegraph newspaper report into the new scientific findings noted: 'The idea had been originally put forward by author Graham Hancock in his book Magicians Of The Gods.'

What hasn't changed is the starting point for all these theories. Just after 11,000BC, experts have long agreed, when the Earth was gradually emerging from the last Ice Age, a cataclysmic event caused sudden, shocking climate change. This ushered in a big chill known as the Younger Dryas, which lasted about 1,500 years.

Scientists had numerous theories to explain this but, in Magicians Of The Gods, Hancock argued that we had all the proof we needed: more than 200 ancient myths, belonging to tribes from the Arctic to the Equator, telling of an advanced human civilisation destroyed by flood and fire.

Added to this was compelling physical evidence, in the form of giant boulders, platinum deposits and tiny diamonds found across North America — the detritus of a colossal impact.

There was only one explanation, said Hancock, and it matched the account carved into the limestone pillars at Gobekli Tepe . . . an account now verified by the team at Edinburgh University.

Our planet was hit by a comet. A blazing asteroid plunged out of the firmament and struck with the force of several thousand nuclear bombs bursting simultaneously. It wiped out many larger animal species, including the woolly mammoth and the sloth bear, and it almost destroyed humanity. Some people did survive, including the ancestors of the Ojibwa tribe of the Canadian grasslands, who still tell the story of the Long-Tailed Heavenly Climbing Star which swept out of the sky to scorch the earth. Their myths relate that it left behind 'a different world.

After that, survival was hard work. The weather was colder than before'.

As Edinburgh's Dr Martin Sweatman puts it: 'One of the pillars at Gobekli Tepe seems to have served as a memorial to this devastating event — probably the worst day in history since the end of the Ice Age.'

Part of the Gobekli carving shows a headless man, a graphic symbol of human carnage.




Some of his most convincing, if rather arcane, evidence was discovered at a dig in Turkey known as Gobekli Tepe — which literally means Potbelly Hill. At this site close to the Syrian border, said Hancock, was found the most ancient work of monumental architecture on Earth.



The key finding was a series of animal carvings on a pillar known as the Vulture Stone, which represent constellations of stars as well as the comet itself. The stars were not represented as we would see them in the sky today, but as they were in 10,950BC — enabling the scientists to point with certainty to the date of the comet strike.

This means that when the Gobekli stones were made, around 9,000BC (that is, approximately 11,000 years ago), the sculptors had the astronomical know-how to backdate the constellations, shifting their pattern by a couple of millennia. And they were working with information that had been passed down over 2,000 years.

That shows spectacular sophistication. Yet according to common wisdom, humans were savages at this time, hunter-gatherers no more advanced than cavemen, without any knowledge of engineering or mathematics.

Most archaeologists struggle to explain how such a primitive culture could have built Gobekli Tepe. Now that the notion of a comet strike is beyond dispute, the thinking is that abundant wild crops of wheat and barley were wiped out by plunging temperatures.

Nomadic tribes were forced to combine, sharing their knowledge and co-operating to survive as they developed techniques to grow enough food to survive.



     
Despite the painstaking construction of the book, which argues each point exhaustively, Hancock was met with the usual hoots of derision when Magicians Of The Gods appeared in 2015.





But as Hancock points out, this would have been an all-consuming challenge for people used to living in small, roaming groups. The switch from hunting to agriculture, and from mobile tent villages to settlements, would demand every ounce of energy, diplomacy and ingenuity our ancestors could muster.

How would they find the time to invent complex maths, plot the heavens, master architecture and learn intricate stone-working? All those skills and more were needed to build Gobekli Tepe.

Stonehenge, which was built around 5,000 years ago, consists of rough-hewn slabs. It is ingenious, but compared to Gobekli Tepe it's like a parish church beside Chartres Cathedral.

For 20 years, Hancock has insisted that there is only one explanation for this explosive intellectual evolution. All that knowledge already existed. Earlier investigators, such as the Swiss author Erich von Daniken, proposed that Earth was visited by extra-terrestrial pioneers, aliens who brought intergalactic gifts of technology. Hancock's theory is much more plausible: he believes a human civilisation predated the comet strike, one at least as advanced as the Romans.

We don't know what language they spoke, nor how they recorded their knowledge. But unless a band of refugee hunters in Turkey 11,000 years ago suddenly cracked every major branch of human learning, all at the same time, that elder civilisation must have existed.

Sci-fi author Arthur C. Clarke famously said that, 'any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic'. And the knowledge that survivors of the comet possessed must have seemed like pure sorcery to the ordinary nomad.

Perhaps that's why, even now, we humans have an instinctive urge to believe in magic and feel sure it must have existed during some golden age — because to our ancient forebears, magic was a very real phenomenon.

The possessors of that inexplicable power, the ones Hancock calls the Magicians Of The Gods, must have worked out how to share their knowledge without giving away their tricks.




For 20 years, Hancock has insisted that there is only one explanation for this explosive intellectual evolution. All that knowledge already existed. Earlier investigators, such as the Swiss author Erich von Daniken, proposed that Earth was visited by extra-terrestrial pioneers, aliens who brought intergalactic gifts of technology.



Post-apocalypse, they would have been fighting to survive in a very dangerous world. It seems likely that they posed as wizards, using showmanship to heighten the impact of their secrets. Carvings discovered at sites as far-flung as Bolivia, Mexico, Turkey and Iraq depict human figures in fish-like robes, wearing garments patterned with scales.

The mythical Oannes of Mesopotamia, for instance, had 'the whole body of a fish, but underneath the head of the fish there was another head, a human one. It had a human voice.'

Oannes was accompanied by seven sages, who taught chemistry, medicine, stone-cutting and metal-working.

At the Temple of Horus in the Egyptian city of Edfu, ancient inscriptions also tell of seven sages. They were the last survivors of a sacred place, 'the mansions of the gods', whose home world had been destroyed by flood and fire. These sages had escaped death only because they were at sea when the catastrophe struck.

According to Arab traditions, the wisdom of these sages was stored in the pyramids of Giza, built to be a library for their books of knowledge. These included technologies that sound modern even to our ears: '[Military] Arms which did not rust, and glass which might be bent but not broken.'

All of this, the ideas that Hancock has been popularising since he published Fingerprints Of The Gods in 1996, has always seemed improbable to the conventional scientific community, which tended to dismiss his claims en masse.

With the discovery that the cornerstone of his theories was right, his other speculation is suddenly much less far-fetched.

But there is one aspect of his studies that is still too controversial to be given credence by mainstream scholars. And if he's right about it, nothing else matters. The comet, the magicians, the messages across the millennia will all be irrelevant.




Hancock's theory is much more plausible: he believes a human civilisation predated the comet strike, one at least as advanced as the Romans.



Hancock believes the Gobekli stones not only describe an ancient cosmic collision, but predict another.

He thinks that what hit Earth in 10,950BC was actually a massive piece of debris in the Taurid meteor stream, a belt containing millions of space rocks.

****** within that belt, according to astrophysicists, is an unexploded bomb of a planetoid, a superheated rock like an orbiting hand grenade.

Sealed inside its thin crust is a boiling mass of tar, building up pressure until it detonates. Thousands of white-hot boulders, a mile or more across, will be set spinning through the meteor stream . . . but we cannot say for certain when that will occur.

Many of these asteroids could be three times the size of the one that hit our planet 65 million years ago, wiping out the dinosaurs.

If one of those strikes, it could quite literally bring about the end of the world. And we are due to cross the Taurid meteor stream in 13 years, around 2030.

For many observers, the leap that Hancock makes from imaginative interpretation of solid evidence, to doom-laden predictions of global obliteration, is just too extreme. It is, quite literally, unthinkable.

But thanks to the Gobekli Tepe findings, mainstream science is being forced to get its head round the Hancock hypothesis.

Maybe it's time to give more credence to all his theories . . . before it's too late.

Mini Ice Age Wiped Civilisation 13,000 Years Ago

[Glatts]

El barco que busca el avión de Malasya Airlines desaparece varios días de los sistemas de rastreo

https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/3255067/0/barco-busca-avion-malasya-desaparece-rastreo/

[Winchester 99]

Fort Detrick ...según Jakob Segal, biólogo alemán, fue esta base donde se creó el virus del VIH/SIDA... primo del actor en sus mejores idas de olla, sospechamos.... no obstante, un cagarro-estudio vandalico-determinista de la Escuela de Salud Pública John Hopkins Bloomberg (JHSPH) indica con la certidumbre del espesor no calibrado de la picha de Nacho Vidal que el número de residentes de la zona enfermos de cáncer es superior a la media:

https://www.jhsph.edu/offices-and-services/practice-and-training/projects-and-communications/projects/cancer-cluster-investigations/cancer-cluster-frederick-maryland-a-case-study

[Glatts]

Un cerrajero argentino fotografía por casualidad el nacimiento de una supernova



https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/02/21/ciencia/1519227115_943384.html